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ProbablyANinja (1 kuukautta sitten) #57599193Oh wow! That's even lighter than I thought. How durable is the finished product? Foam anything seems like it would be super delicate. Is there some sort of coating you can put on it to strengthen it?

Well, about the durability it is PU, so it can last at least for a few Hundred Years or a few Thousand,
before it deteriorates :)

Oh yes, ...it is in fact Super Delicate to work with, and it does not tolerate any mistakes from the Sculptor´s side thats for shure :) ...just look at my DA Site; www.deviantart....
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naisor (1 kuukautta sitten) #57609725www.youtube.com...
By chance have you heard or experimented with EVA foam? There seems to be even air-drying modelling foam available:
www.amazon.com/...
It seems something widely used nowadays by cosplayers, but watching KamuiCosplay's channel and works I was thinking... back in the day I was buying lots and lots of expensive figures, my friends asked when I was going to start buying dollfie's, which seem like the same logical step. They pointed out this one ITEM #236335 and I remember saying: "if she would just have her whole IS unit picture/504549&... included, I would no doubt buy one, otherwise no deal". They immediately said that would be impossible, and heavy as hell too.
Now seeing what can be done with the EVA foam, to even being able to give it the texture and appearance of bone, and even metal, I think it would be interesting to try to make figure or figure accessories for larger scales like 1/3 and above.
What do you think?


Yes, i try it …and it is in fact much Heavier then PU Foam, wich is of course also available as Sprayable Foam,…
usually i don’t care that much about how much a Product cost´s, if it is any good i will use it, but compare the price of that Mo Air Dry Foam to PU or even Polyclay, then you must come to only one conclusion… it is Ridiculously Overpriced, a small 300ml can for 22 Dollar ? What ? I can purchase Super Sculpy in the same amount for 6 Dollar at Brick´s, and that Pricetag is even beat by PU / XPS… i pay about 10 Dollar for a 140cm by 60cm by 5 cm plank and i could build a whole Figure in the Size 1 / 2 out of it :)
But let me say this, to be more specific, every Material has a limited Range of usability, Size wise and Shape wise,
and yes if i would have to build some kind of Organic shape then i would probably not use PU, because those shapes are very difficult to create, with every solid material, but of course not impossible…it would be just more effort…

If i say; i use only Waterbased products to handle my PU Sculptures, then only because i like to use them, but that doesn’t mean “ you have to use them “ …after the PU surface is Sealed with Primer you can threat the Surface with whatever Material you want to of course, apply tinfoil with Spray Mount for a Shiny Metal effect for a Big Sword or even crave or scratch a Bone like surface out of it, surface wise…there are no Limits, and durability wise PU could last for a few 1000 Years and that’s long enough for me :)


If those Dolfie People told you “ it is impossible “…i am quite certain they don’t mean, it is “actually impossible” for us to Build, …more likely, it would be not profitable for us to do so,…well i´ve heard that one before…if you can not transform it into mass Production, then there is just no Money in it and Nobody would do it, right… But to build her Red Mobile Suit IS thing in 1 / 3 or even Life Size would not be a problem at all with xps, and far away from heavy weight :) …or even expensive to build.

You could Build a 20 Feet high Gundam Mobile Suit for your Garden if you want to ( if you have one ) without any problems out of XPS for under 1K in Material cost…but you can not do that with Moldable Foam :( The Basic problems with that Foam Clay is the stability, the durability itself, especially when it comes to longer parts, if it´s waterbased it will dry when it is exposed to Air,…but that also means, if you would wiggle it around to get in shape for to long
it will dry, and get grainy and crumply, wich is just annoying for me, i do not appreciate it to be force by the material specific features to speed up my Sculpting process only because the Material that i am working with is in the mood to dry faster then i usually like to sculp.
And besides very soon you will reach the limits of it, size wise….look what Kamui ( actually she does not ) builds out of it, accesoires for her costumes,
if She would try to build cannon Turrets out of that Foam and would do cosplay and go as a Kantai Colle Girl ( or Azure Lane :) )
well then she would fail of course, not because of the mass weight ratio at this point, but more of the structural stability of the Mo Foam itself, …for Example my Nagato including Cannon turrets weight is far under 900 Gram, and my 1.2 Size Hakune Miku´s weight is only 2,45 Kg !

But for me it is much more important what feature the specific Material provides, and what i can do with it…

The thing is, when it comes to mass production, you have the so called tooling cost´s, …it is not a problem to build a fancy Prototype in any size or any shape,…but can you transform this Figure then into mass Production, without cutting of on quality or Design ( Sounds simple ? …it´s actually not simple at all ) wich is usually Plastic ( ABS,PVC or even Resin ) Injection ( those Molds made out of CNC Cutted Metal )…and forget about 3 D Printers ( Support structure wise a complete Nightmare, even if you use Water dissolvable Bi-Headed Printers ) , they are still far away from the Speed of any Plastic Injection Machines, not to mention the poor reliability of 3 D Printers at all, …not to mention the limited printable area…almost a Joke.
There are ton´s of problems and challenges that a Manufacturer has to face when it comes to mass production of Plastic Kits or Figures of any kind you know, it is not that easy :) I know so, because the Product Manager from the World´s largest Plastic Model Kit Company ( no, not Tamiya wich is still the Best but not the largest or Trumpeter ) told me so, i work for them as a Package Designer/ Illustrator sometimes and he told me all that and showed me the Production process itself wich was very interesting for me…and yes the “ Tooling “ cost´s are in fact the biggest part of all costs that are involved in the Production process.

Hmmmm….making accessories for Dolfie´s ? How big is the “ Dolfie “ community out there, i know that VOLKS is heavily involved in that topic
, but how big is the Dolfie Marked actually, and if Volks invented Dolfie´s i am certain they hold the Copyright wich would lead to License fees that you would have to pay for each item you would release regardless of the production type you choose for Dolfie´s. I was looking around but didn’t find any useful or legit facts, about Selling or production number´s about Dolfie´s, and my Japanese is not good enough that i´ve could have a conversation with Japanese collectors, that´s why i can not look at Japanese sites ( even with Translation tools…) there are just to many translation errors in al those Language tools, there are not reliable at all.
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www.youtube.com...

By chance have you heard or experimented with EVA foam? There seems to be even air-drying modelling foam available:

www.amazon.com/...

It seems something widely used nowadays by cosplayers, but watching KamuiCosplay's channel and works I was thinking... back in the day I was buying lots and lots of expensive figures, my friends asked when I was going to start buying dollfie's, which seem like the same logical step. They pointed out this one ITEM #236335 and I remember saying: "if she would just have her whole IS unit picture/504549&... included, I would no doubt buy one, otherwise no deal". They immediately said that would be impossible, and heavy as hell too.

Now seeing what can be done with the EVA foam, to even being able to give it the texture and appearance of bone, and even metal, I think it would be interesting to try to make figure or figure accessories for larger scales like 1/3 and above.

What do you think?
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MattKaySeven (1 kuukautta sitten) #57586976a complet painted Anime Figure in the Size / Scale 1/2 about 84 cm tal,like Nagato from Kantai Collection is about 650 gramm,...not much right ? Hey, it´s Foam :)

Oh wow! That's even lighter than I thought. How durable is the finished product? Foam anything seems like it would be super delicate. Is there some sort of coating you can put on it to strengthen it?
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ProbablyANinja (1 kuukautta sitten) #57584813Ah, I see. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. If you love what you do, that's really what's important. :) I'm curious, how heavy are complete 1/2 scale foam figures?

a complet painted Anime Figure in the Size / Scale 1/2 about 84 cm tal,like Nagato from Kantai Collection is about 650 gramm,...not much right ? Hey, it´s Foam :)
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MattKaySeven (1 kuukautta sitten) #57556416Thank you, nice to hear that you enjoy reading my Blog :)
Well, as in most cases if you have a Hobby wich you enjoy doing you dont have the pressure to Sell something, because it is a Hobby...right ? The thing is, releasing Garage Kit´s can not considered as a Business in any way, because the Material cost relations between investment that you have to spend and the Money flow that you can possibly get in return does not ad up at all, regardless of the Scale / Size of the Garage Kit that you would eventually release.
The Main reason why Garage Kit´s are not profitable in any way is that you can use the Molds only for a very limited time,you could do about 20 - 25 Resin Cast´s out of them, because Resin is a 2 component Epoxy that means you have a Chemical reaction if you mix them together, by doing that the mix will heat up in the Silicon mold and gets so hot that it will litteraly disrupt the mold itself after 20 - 25 times , so at first smal Silicon pices will just stick on the Resin parts, and after 20 or 25 cast´s those parts get bigger, and the Surface quality shrinks also... Silicon is the only material wich is usable for such things...
In fact most Prototyps get´s distroyed if you make a cast out of them for a lot of reasons that you can not prevent, so you can not just repeat that casting process over and over, ...it just does not Work that way.
If you meet someone ( usually an Artist ) who tells you that he actually does make a Profit by selling Garage Kit´s... well, then he just lie´s to himself, ...or ask him, how does he calculate his Profit margin´s because most Artist´s do not ad thier Working hours to that calculation, so that means they work litteraly for free... but hey, far as i know most Artists do not sell Garage Kit´s to make a Profit with it by selling them, because they know, it is just not possible :) they do it, just because they enjoi it, and that is totaly OK, not everything has to be Money related ( but most things are of course ) :)
Btw. Polyurethanfoam works only in a larger Scale, so up to 1/3 ... 1/2 and beyound, because of its Material structure, so why i dont work in a smaler Scale then...? Well, because Polyclay is the material wich you have to use then, i did...and i didnt like it so much to be honest,the fact that you have to harden the material by putting it in the oven, and build a underneath structure made out of wire and tinfoil, to hold the material in place... it was just not my thing :)


Ah, I see. Yeah, I guess that makes sense. If you love what you do, that's really what's important. :) I'm curious, how heavy are complete 1/2 scale foam figures?
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ProbablyANinja (1 kuukautta sitten) #57553284If doing 1/2 scale figures is cost-prohibitive in most cases and doesn't bring in a lot of customers, how about doing smaller scale figures? I'm sure the material would be harder to work with the smaller you get, but that might help bring the initial cost down and open up the door for potential resin casts/garage kits. It's something to think about. :) Really nice blog, by the way. I can tell you have lots of experience with this sort of thing.

Thank you, nice to hear that you enjoy reading my Blog :)

Well, as in most cases if you have a Hobby wich you enjoy doing you dont have the pressure to Sell something, because it is a Hobby...right ? The thing is, releasing Garage Kit´s can not considered as a Business in any way, because the Material cost relations between investment that you have to spend and the Money flow that you can possibly get in return does not ad up at all, regardless of the Scale / Size of the Garage Kit that you would eventually release.
The Main reason why Garage Kit´s are not profitable in any way is that you can use the Molds only for a very limited time,you could do about 20 - 25 Resin Cast´s out of them, because Resin is a 2 component Epoxy that means you have a Chemical reaction if you mix them together, by doing that the mix will heat up in the Silicon mold and gets so hot that it will litteraly disrupt the mold itself after 20 - 25 times , so at first smal Silicon pices will just stick on the Resin parts, and after 20 or 25 cast´s those parts get bigger, and the Surface quality shrinks also... Silicon is the only material wich is usable for such things...
In fact most Prototyps get´s distroyed if you make a cast out of them for a lot of reasons that you can not prevent, so you can not just repeat that casting process over and over, ...it just does not Work that way.

If you meet someone ( usually an Artist ) who tells you that he actually does make a Profit by selling Garage Kit´s... well, then he just lie´s to himself, ...or ask him, how does he calculate his Profit margin´s because most Artist´s do not ad thier Working hours to that calculation, so that means they work litteraly for free... but hey, far as i know most Artists do not sell Garage Kit´s to make a Profit with it by selling them, because they know, it is just not possible :) they do it, just because they enjoi it, and that is totaly OK, not everything has to be Money related ( but most things are of course ) :)

Btw. Polyurethanfoam works only in a larger Scale, so up to 1/3 ... 1/2 and beyound, because of its Material structure, so why i dont work in a smaler Scale then...? Well, because Polyclay is the material wich you have to use then, i did...and i didnt like it so much to be honest,the fact that you have to harden the material by putting it in the oven, and build a underneath structure made out of wire and tinfoil, to hold the material in place... it was just not my thing :)
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MattKaySeven (1 kuukautta sitten) #57500143Thank you, that is very kind of you...
Yes, shure i would not consider myself as a Pro-Sculptor, even if i take on Custom order´s for Big Scale Anime Figures from time to time ( so technicaly i am a Pro, because i take Money for my Work right ? ), i studied Graphic Design and work as a Freelance Illustrator for the Advertising Industry, that is my main Business.
I started Sculpting Amine Figures in the Scale 1 / 2 about 5 Years ago, and completed about 27 Figures so far, and most of them are sold to Collectors that i have meet at conventions that i attend from time to time, in the beginning i realy thought i could grow this Hobby of mine to a Real Business, but soon i realised there are just not enough Anime Figure Collectors out there that are willing to spend a few thousand Dollar´s on a Big Scale Anime Figure, wich is of course understandable, consider this...if you would go to a convention where you meet let´s say 10.000 Visitors then you will have eventualy 1 or 2 Persons who can actually afford it to give you a custom order for an Anime Figure, wich is of course sad for me, because i realy like Sculpting Anime Figures.
Hmmmm,...but why not making a Garage Kit out of a very Popular Anime Character, so that the Price tag would drop a little and more People could afford it to Purchase one ...?
The thing is, at the Scale 1/2 my Figures are about 80 cm tall and if i would make some molds out of them to release a Garage Kit, well the bigest cost is of course the Resin itself wich cost´s in a good quality about 50 dollar for 1000 ml, i know there is Resin on the Market wich costs only 20 buck´s a Can, but you can not use every Product on the Market for making a cast from a Figure that size...and the Silicon / Special Molding silicon is not cheap either...
So if i would cast, let´s say 25 Figures and i would have about 250,- Dollar Material costs for each one, i would end up spending about 6250,- Dollar on Material expenses alone, without package material of course... no matter from wich direction i see it or aproache this topic, business wise it just dosent make sense or ad up...


If doing 1/2 scale figures is cost-prohibitive in most cases and doesn't bring in a lot of customers, how about doing smaller scale figures? I'm sure the material would be harder to work with the smaller you get, but that might help bring the initial cost down and open up the door for potential resin casts/garage kits. It's something to think about. :) Really nice blog, by the way. I can tell you have lots of experience with this sort of thing.
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Jaou (1 kuukautta sitten) #57500690Really nice! I like how you give so much in-dept to every step :) I will keep on reading this
Thank you, i ´am glad that you like it :)
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Really nice! I like how you give so much in-dept to every step :) I will keep on reading this
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